Date Limit Hours Result
Feb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600
Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000
Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000
Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000
Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000
Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500
Mar 30 2000-4000 5.5 + 25,300
Apr 9 100-200 NL 1.5 + 1,200
Apr 15 2000-4000 3 + 78,000
Apr 16 4000-8000 6 +120,000
April 29 80-160 5 + 5,200
May 1 40-80 1 + 1,400
May 4 80-160 .5 + 700
Oct 10 5-10 NL 1.5 + 3,700
Oct 19 4000-8000 8 - 4,000
Oct 20 400-800 1 + 1,600
Oct 20 2000-4000 1 - 25,100
Oct 20 4000-8000 10.5 - 127,000
Oct 22 2000-4000 5 +165,500
Oct 26 2000-4000 13 + 8,500
Oct 28 2000-4000 5.5 - 105,500
Oct 30 2000-4000 6 + 128,500
Nov 2 300-600 NL 8 - 214,400
Nov 3 300-600 NL 8 - 447,100
Nov 4 300-600 NL 8 + 347,400
Nov 16 2000-4000 10 + 207,500
Dec 14 2000-4000 5 - 142,000
Dec 14 4000-8000 13 + 148,000
Dec 19 300-600 0.5 - 3,900
Dec 19 400-800 1 + 10,500
Dec 21 2000-4000 4 + 24,000
Totals 192 + 313,100
Hourly Rate= $1630.73

PROPS: -$81,000

[quote=DanielNegreanu]Date Limit Hours Result
Feb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600
Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000
Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000
Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000
Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000
Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500
Totals 61.5 +105,100
Hourly Rate= $1708.94[/quote]

I was just reading Phil Gordon's book and it said that you 4K/8K players may only be trying to make 1/10 to 1/4 of a big bet per hour. Would you say that's about accurate over the long haul?

Meh, seems like an alright hourly rate.

It's actually low but it's only after 61 hours. I think the best players in that game should hope to make a big bet an hour despite what Sklansky seems to think. :roll:

Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party.

:shock:



Peanuts.....I guess you don't have the stomach to play in my Saturday Night Home Games....Give me a call when you move up in limits.......


BTW Daniel, thank you for turning me on to Triple Draw....It just might be the end of my mental health.

What figures are you talking about?

[quote=ddudley][quote=ahosang]Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party.
[/quote]

What figures are you talking about?[/quote]
Daniel's figures. I was joking......

i just wanna let u know its really cool you are posting this stuff DN, since all we fans get is hearsay. it would be cool if you posted like who was the big winner for each session in the big game too.

No, that I won't do. I don't mind sharing my results with you all but it would be very innappropriate of me to divulge others results.

Daniel, just wondering if you're gonna make it a point to play more cash games when the new Casino opens up(or if you have some kinda time goals you have to play for the casino). Any other of the big game players gonna play there, or will it probably just be you?

Daniel already pays enough in taxes from his Tourniments!

[quote=DanielNegreanu]Date Limit Hours Result
Feb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600
Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000
Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000
Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000
Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000
Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500
Totals 61.5 +105,100
Hourly Rate= $1708.94[/quote]

Granted, the sample size is too small, but dividing this data into limits, you get:

1500-3000 $6,514.29/hr.
2000-4000 $6,600.00/hr.
4000-8000 $826.92/hr.

Playing in the biggest game just looks like a bad idea: You're risking too much to win too little, whereas you can risk less and win more in the slightly smaller games.

Anyway, I guess it's not always about money.

Daniel, I realize you may not be able to do this due to privacy concerns, but it would be great if you could post a sample hand or two from every session. I really enjoyed reading that Omaha hand in a past journal (even if Gus' play was a little bewildering).

Thanks

Hmmm, I wonder what your hourly earn is for tournaments, would be an interesting comparison.

thanks daniel for giving us a glipse inside ultra high limit games. A couple of questions.

1) without naming names, are they players who are consistant losers in the 4k/8k game?

2) How often do rich tourist (players who are not world class) buy in and sit in the ultrahigh games?

Stay to 5-7 hour sessions, when you go 8+ you lose, but I'm guessing you knew that already

It would be cool if you listed your PokerMountain results as well. Although it will bring down your hourly rate .

I think he only plays 8+ hours because he's already stuck. I and most poker players have been known to do that from time to time as well.

The thing is this is the same game. There is rarely a 2000-4000 game running next to a 4000-8000 game if ever. It's all the "big game" they drop the stakes to accomodate some players at times.



He's told us about the longest of the sessions, and he was stuck over a mil at one point. I have a feeling the losing sessions are longer for that reason....he's stuck and trying to get even.

Daniel I am only 14 years old,but I think I am very good for my age even though I am up only about 600 dollars in poker for the year.I just wanted to ask you a question, do you think you are beter at no limit or limit poker?And, Do you think you have made more in tournaments or cash games.Your recent win at the 2004 Borgota Open made you 1million+ dollars alone.I think you are a great player.Good luck in future tournys.

......does anyone else realize how cool this is? Even ten years ago, this would be impossible to see?

Thanks, Daniel. I know I'm not gonna be playing 4k/8k ever, but it's very interesting to get a realistic look at the experience.

I have to say, I just saw a commercial with Steve Wynn standing on top of his new casino and all I can say is WOW. It looks amazing, so Daniel can you hook us up with reduced roomrates :wink:

[quote=KDawgCometh]I have to say, I just saw a commercial with Steve Wynn standing on top of his new casino and all I can say is WOW. It looks amazing, so Daniel can you hook us up with reduced roomrates :wink: [/quote]

From an Architectural point of view, it looks like a big piece of brown crap. I thought it would be a lot nicer on the outside. I'm sure it will look a lot nicer on the inside than the outside and will offer great service to make up for it. 99% of people don't care what it looks like from an Architectural point of view anyway.

Piece of brown crap?

What do you really feel?


Oh, and it's vegas...outside architecture has to be important with all of the theme casinos.

MGM Grand, Bellagio, and the Palms also look tremendous from the exterior

Wynn isn't that bad from the outside
Though it doesn't catch your eye as nicely as a lot of the other casinos

[quote=Vade]Piece of brown crap?

What do you really feel?


Oh, and it's vegas...outside architecture has to be important with all of the theme casinos.

MGM Grand, Bellagio, and the Palms also look tremendous from the exterior

Wynn isn't that bad from the outside
Though it doesn't catch your eye as nicely as a lot of the other casinos[/quote]

MGM Grand? That thing is a big green pile of crap (if it the one that's accross the street from New York, New York). Where did you get your Architecture Degree from?

A vast majority of Architects will tell you that the Wynn is that bad from the outside. Granted I've only seen a few seconds of fly-bys in a commercial and I may change my opinion when I see it in person.

[quote=ChkDeezNuts]BTW Daniel, thank you for turning me on.[/quote]

Whoa...keep that to the PM's.

I bet you get addicted to the rush that these big games bring to you. How can you get excited for regular daily events, when you play a poker game that you can win or loose a million dollards

[quote=ddudley][quote=Vade]Piece of brown crap?

What do you really feel?


Oh, and it's vegas...outside architecture has to be important with all of the theme casinos.

MGM Grand, Bellagio, and the Palms also look tremendous from the exterior

Wynn isn't that bad from the outside
Though it doesn't catch your eye as nicely as a lot of the other casinos[/quote]

MGM Grand? That thing is a big green pile of crap (if it the one that's accross the street from New York, New York). Where did you get your Architecture Degree from?

A vast majority of Architects will tell you that the Wynn is that bad from the outside. Granted I've only seen a few seconds of fly-bys in a commercial and I may change my opinion when I see it in person.[/quote]

Most normal people don't have an architecture Degree (btw... it should be architectural degree not architecture degree).

[quote=ddudley]
A vast majority of Architects will tell you that the Wynn is that bad from the outside. Granted I've only seen a few seconds of fly-bys in a commercial and I may change my opinion when I see it in person.[/quote]

This might be a tad OT (okay fine it's totally OT) but what do you consider the top 3 Vegas hotels from an architecture point of view?

Boy Daniel got the hell out of there in the 4K/8K after 5 hours when he was up 500k+....................LOL

DanielNegreanu wrote:
Date Limit Hours Result
Feb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600
Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000
Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000
Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000
Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000
Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500
Totals 61.5 +105,100
Hourly Rate= $1708.94


I new to the site - can you tell me where this game is being played, at a casino or online?

Thanks

[quote=njligernj] This might be a tad OT (okay fine it's totally OT) but what do you consider the top 3 Vegas hotels from an architecture point of view?[/quote]

I've only been there once and I didn't get outside much. I guess the Belagio, would have to be my favorite. After that, there not much worth mentioning.

What I find offensive about the Wynn and MGM is that they are curtainwall with one ugly color of glass. Let's see, you went to Architure School for 5 years and studied 6000 years of buildings from all around the world and the best you could think of is to make your building 100% glass? On top of that you pick one of the 3 ugliest colors that Viracon offers, WTF? A retarded monkey could do better than that.

I agree with Dudley...it is pretty lame looking

Guest?

Hey guys,
Just wanted to let you all know I will be posting here now! Looking forward to answering your questions!

-Phil

The big game is mostly at the Bellagio. I wouldn't be surprised to see that change a little when Wynn opens. The Commerce Casino in L.A. also has a very active high limit area - regular 400-800, 1,000-2,000 games, but I doubt anything gets as large, as frequently, as it does at Bellagio. Probably mostly when a major tourneyment rolls through.

I just need to get that Guest thing changed!

-9 :spade: 9 :club:

Wynn Las Vegas is like everything Wynn does - big, bold, and unique. I've seen it up close since it's been topped off and if it's possible for a building to dominate the LV skyline (Stratosphere included) this is it so far.

I was in Vegas last week, and I have to agree. While I was at the top of the Stratosphere, my eyes kept wondering back to the Wynn Resorts building...very nice looking, and very luxurious I'm sure.

What would a crippling loss in the 4/8k game be for you Daniel? A million, 2 million? How much would you have to be down for it to impair your ability to play properly? ie. when would you start sweating the loss?

Oh I'd say right around 1.5...

[quote=DanielNegreanu]Oh I'd say right around 1.5...[/quote]

geez where did you come up with that number

DN,

Have you considered doing a "Road to the Final Table"?

I would also be interested in hearing about your road to the BIGS.

How you got started and how you progressed along the way.


Thanks,


D

[quote=bocablkr]

I new to the site - can you tell me where this game is being played, at a casino or online?

Thanks[/quote]

It's at a casino.

Daniel,
feel free to log into my pokerstars account and play for awhile.
My bankroll and I would really appreciate it.

[quote=PhilHellmuth]I just need to get that Guest thing changed!

-9 :spade: 9 :club:[/quote]

If you really are Phil, you need to go through the same authentification process that Josh A. and Harry D. did to get "Poker Professional" under their names. Contact Daniel and I'm sure he will hook you up.

Until then, you are just another 12 year old kid looking for attention.

[quote=ddudley][quote=PhilHellmuth]I just need to get that Guest thing changed!

-9 :spade: 9 :club:[/quote]

If you really are Phil, you need to go through the same authentification process that Josh A. and Harry D. did to get "Poker Professional" under their names. Contact Daniel and I'm sure he will hook you up.

Until then, you are just another 12 year old kid looking for attention.[/quote]

Even if it is Phil, i think he is still a 12 year old kid looking for attention at heart.

[quote=DanielNegreanu]Date Limit Hours Result
Feb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600
Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000
Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000
Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000
Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000
Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500
Mar 30 2000-4000 5.5 + 25,300
Totals 67 +130,400
Hourly Rate= $1946.27[/quote]

Wow DN,

I am appalled by this hourly rate at a 4k/8k game. This is like equivalent to making 2 dollars an hour playing 4/8 limits. However, you are playing against the best in the world so I can see the difficulty of trying to profit. IMO, if you profit in anyway at that level or break even you are really good. It's hard to find weaknesses at the level of game play especially since every name you mentioned at that table is well known. Anyway, This information is very useful to me. It lets me know that even a good poker player has a tough time trying to profit playing live. I can see how you dominate other limits.

If that really is Phil Hellmuth how can you badtalk him.He is the unluckiest poker player I have seen on TV.He has won more money than you will in your whole lives.Almost every time Phil gets knocked out of a tournament on TV it is bad luck,I mean in the 2004 world series of poker in the 3,000$ dollar pot limit holdem championship,2 players hit running flush cards in 2 huge pots.You guys should show more respect to World Champions.