Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $51.90 <--45/20/1.67
CO: $67.75
Button: $89.20
Hero: $50.85
BB: $53.40 <---23/15/14<--

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 8 T 8 K
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: T 5 Q ($3, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.5, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: A ($10.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $7.5, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: J ($33, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $23, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $102


Rip this one apart. During the hand, I was thinking that BB had either the ubernuts, or nothing at all maybe trying the naked ace play (small sample with only 100 hands, but I don't put the lone ace play beyond anyone with AF > 10) and I figured UTG for a set, on the draw for a board pair. When we get to the river, WTF is UTG calling with? He can't have the lone ace, and the ace high flush SHOULD raise there, no? Should I raise flop for info? Turn? All over the place here.

I may actually let this one go on the flop, but I'm definitely getting out of the way on the turn. You have MP with the 2nd nut flush. Granted the bets from the BB don't mean all that much given his AF, but you have UTG calling along. I think an argument could be made for raising the flop to test their hands and then backing off if you get action.

On the turn you have another 3/4 pot bet and a flat call, which should be very concerning. Do you still think you're ahead of both of them here? Do you put them both on sets or weaker?

IMO a hand like K8sT8 is a hand that you want to see a pretty specific flop with. You really want to the the As, an 8, and/or the right cards to give you a straight draw (QJ, J9). The 2nd nut flush with no redraws to a full house is a very dangerous spot to be in when you're getting action from 2 villains.

i really don't know this one. Folding river after calling a 3/4 pot bet on turn seems silly.

You either fold turn or call to showdown.

You could also lead flop.

UTG probably knows that the BB is very aggressive, and could be calling down with a weak flush or a wrap that hits on the turn, or AA that hits top set, knowing that BB doesn't necessarily have much. I don't see any way he has the nuts (especially after the flat call on the river).

So basically, it comes down to whether BB has the nuts or not. I think he has QQ, TT, smaller flush, lone Ace bluff, etc. often enough given his stats that the call down is good.

Like Bud said, you could lead the flop, or check-raise this aggressive of a player.

If he's this aggro, I don't see why we want to raise and push him earlier. A guy with a 14af will deffo 3barrell a lot. Plus, since we do think that UTG is calling down weak - we probably lose him if we raise as well, no?

Is there some difference between the ubernuts and regular nuts? Your probably up against the sumo nuts at least. What about the toasted or salted nuts?

I think the only place to raise here would be the flop but I generally wouldn't do it.
I would have c/c all the way with two people in. I don't think you could really have done anything differently.

well, since the whole omaha forum has now chimed in, and I posted it in the other thread already anyway -

BB showed the lone ace bluff, and UTG showed 7 9 and I took it down. I timebanked the river - such a relief when the pot shipped my way

Yeah, that's a good point, I guess we really can't expect either one to throw away a set to a raise, especially 3-handed. However, if we check-raise and get 4-bet, I think we're beat 95% of the time.

Flat-calling all the way just seems weak, but it worked out this time.

What do you do if the board pairs? Check-Fold?

Yeah, gotta figure I'm done for if the board pairs (if I was even ahead in the first place)